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Discussion: The Meaning of Life1)

TL;DR: Unless a god exists, which we do not know, the question about the meaning of life is absurd.

Imagine you're a droplet of water. Picture yourself stranded in some desert of an unnamed planet and it's getting really hot. So hot, indeed, that you begin to vaporize, and you ascend to the cloud district where you are carried forth and join many other atoms and molecules that once formed water but now find themselves in the gasenous phase of water. Eventually it's getting really packed and you are finding yourself at an impasse. Eventually you will be so heavy and jam packed with other water molucules that you are forced to convert back into liquid water and, too heavy to remain airborne, drop to the ground via gravity.

Here, however, you find two things: Many, many more drops of water, and you can't help yourself but flow closer towards the center of the planet due to gravity. You join up with hundreds, millions, billions, quintilzillions of other water droplets keeping you company on your journey. The weight of you and your companions punches holes into the geometry of your environment, you start forming a little creek - no, a river - no, a flood. Your environment responds to you, landslides, changes in the planet's climate, the shape of the planet changes as you form oceans and seas where you too will eventually end up in and restart the process.

You are now a real, living, breathing thing that's alive, with your own ecosystem2), your own body, changes in the environment to adapt to and so many more things. But what's your purpose?

Flawed Premise

Well, you will find that just the question is flawed in itself. What purpose, why should there be a purpose? Water just flows, the cycle of water is a result of the physical laws governing it.3) And I get it, calling the global ecosystem of water a “living” thing may be a stretch, but why does it have to be living? Just because a thing is alive means it must have a purpose? The question “what is the meaning of life?” assumes that there is a meaning. Simple rules can let complex mechanisms emerge, this is true for the cycle of water, this is true for those cool, hexagon-shaped basalt columns4) and this is ultimately true for human life as well5). If we agree that all those oxygen molecules don't have an intrinsic meaning and “just exist”, then we have no meaning either. We just are and even just the idea of groups of atoms (like those making up your body right now) having “meaning” is absurd.

History has a long and rich tradition of humans thinking of themselves as special, until they realized that they are not the center of their own star system, that even their own star system isn't the center of the universe and the realization that each and every - individual - human being has to make… That we are not the center of the universe either. It's hard to accept and I am still disappointed as well and probably in denial, but we all have to get there. I, the individual, me specifically will live and die in vain just like billions of people did before me, all of which I don't know or care about just as much as the people in 200 years will not know or care about me. We are but one droplet in a river of droplets, slowly carving a path and shaping the course we take - governed by the rules of physics6).

What about a purpose, then?

Well, what is your purpose? “Purpose” and “meaning” are social constructs. Meaning is perhaps a spiritual construct, purpose is a result of goal-oriented planning. To survive a human needs to eat, so the “purpose” of cooking is to survive. But then again, this will change based on perspective. Someone else may do it primarily because it is an event for social interaction. It's a matter of perspective and the idea of a perspective is human (ot at least “living”) in nature. Who imparts on you a “meaning” or a “purpose”, forcefully?, and why should you accept it as yours? And, ultimately, what the fuck are we even talking about? We're atoms, doing atom things!

Some other People's Perspectives

I have established my perspective on this topic - hopefully I did so well. What should be clear is that I find this question to be kind of moot. From my perspective, everything another person will claim about being their “meaning” or “purpose” is “made up” and, well, I don't have many problems with it. Belief in belief means that believing in something can help a person as a coping mechanism and, as long as it is used that way, who am I to complain? Obviously it gets difficult if those believing in belief are trying to sell their stuff as truth or fact, but we will come to that later.

Religion, God and Co. Ltd.

There are some religions that believe in a higher power, and that those higher powers have imparted a meaning onto us: “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth”. But why stop there? What's the meaning of the Lord? What's the meaning of Lord's meaning? If the Lord has a meaning imparted on him by someone or something else, and that meaning is to create living things (like you and me) and tell them to colonize their planet, then what's the meaning of our Lord being given that meaning, ie. what is our meaning beyond that which the Lord has given us? Why does the thing above the Lord want us to exist? Plus, I have yet to see compelling evidence that a Lord exists, so what do I care what this book proclaims it thought was true about the world? Did the writer of that book do any experiments to validate or falsify his assertions? Is it possible to do it with things of this nature in the first place?7) So why do people take this and assign any perceived truth value to its claims? Because they want to believe it, not because they actually have anything to back it up.

Reproduction and DNA

Life and evolution is one huge battle of races. Lifeforms emerge, fight for domination and expand or exterminate based on fitness, and that's the cycle of life. So, what's your meaning? Obviously, your target is to expand your kind, your personal DNA as much as you can! You see, life is a fight! You, personally, are competing with every other strain of DNA, so you must find the best, most fertile, most fruitful partner that you can get, because if you don't then you go extinct, and that's disgraceful. Without your genes passed on, you are worthless. You LOSE8), against everyone else who successfully passes on their DNA.

All those other humans around you, your friends and foes? They're all RIVALS, whenever something good happens to them it is BAD to YOU because it reduces your chances of MATING. Life is a zero sum game! You can't have friends. Unless you help each other improve your odds of mating, of course. Rape? Perfectly fine, you're just trying to pass on your genes. Hold still already, Woman, and serve your function!9)10)

So, much like the religion argument, this whole drama just takes things that are out there, vaguely point in that direction and then go two steps too far and assume that those mere pointers actually held secrets to a more fundamental truth which ends up not being a fact but merely imagination. Nature can be described as a competition of lifeforms, but that doesn't mean that this is anyone's meaning. Like, just because you can look at things from a very specific perspective and see similarities between nature and a competition does not mean it actually IS, or that it should be prescribed to everyone, especially to those who DO NOT consent to it. Like, you do not have a nature given right to sex, or to reproduction, or to a girl or woman or whatever it is you prefer, at all. Because to have a right on a thing you need to establish a Claim, and your claim is not a need claim, therefore you do not get to overrule someone else's autonomy. Some people seem to think that they have a nature derived right to use or treat women like objects, like women are just a thing that really only exists for them, that women are owned by men because nature decided to make most men physically stronger than men, which means men are the alpha in the social hierarchy, and from there they derive their imagined authority to treat a woman, another fully independent, fully individual human being, as something that is held to worse standards than men, with less freedom and agency, less respect and limited individuality.

This Mess

1)
On this page I will treat “meaning” and “purpose” as synonymous because, once a meaning has been established, a “purpose” usually follows directly from the meaning and needs no more discussion.
2)
Water Currents, Tsunamis, Droughts, Clouds and everything related to that, etc.
3)
Many things are dependent on water, but that is just a fact of the universe.
5)
Read Emergence for more on why I believe this.
6)
And maybe some random chance, according to quantum physicists.
7)
No it's not.
9)
Geez I usually like pointed arguments, but this one is tough even for me.
10)
Don’t worry, all, I’m MOSTLY sure he’s being satirical! (See the previous footnote and the following paragraphs) -PLCG
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